The Assault on Freedom of Conscience
Issue 152 - January/February 2009
by Peggy O'Mara, Editor and Publisher
As a new reader of Mothering in 1977, I was especially interested in the letters about circumcision and vaccinations. In fact, one of the first things I did when I bought the magazine in 1980 was to arrange the letters under specific headings so that readers could more easily follow the ongoing dialogues.
As the editor of Mothering, I see circumcision and vaccination as two of many issues that fall under the broader umbrella of informed consent or freedom of conscience. Sometimes people will characterize the magazine as pro-homebirth or anti-vaccine because of our frequent coverage of these issues. In fact, we are pro-informed consent; we publish both sides of the story so that parents can be aware of all angles before they make a decision.
It was in this spirit of informed consent that I first became interested in covering HIV and AIDS. In 1996, I received a letter from Michael Ellner of Health, Education, AIDS Liaison (HEAL) in New York City. Michael asked Mothering to look into the new recommendation that all mothers and newborns be tested for HIV. In the Summer 1997 issue of Mothering, I reported that universal HIV testing, like universal prenatal testing, is controversial because AIDS is rare among women of childbearing age and among newborns.
Not only is universal HIV testing for pregnant women and newborns controversial, but also are the medications prescribed for HIV and the recommendations regarding breastfeeding. Up until 1997, the World Health Organization (WHO) left the infant-feeding choice up to the HIV mother herself. By 1998, the recommendation had changed and WHO recommended safe alternatives to breastfeeding. As a retired La Leche League Leader, I was dismayed that breastfeeding was contraindicated in HIV because up until then, only one disease—untreated, active tuberculosis—contraindicated breastfeeding.
In September 1998, Mothering published the article, "AZT Roulette: The Impossible Choices Facing HIV-Positive Mothers." It is about the dilemma of women who test positive for HIV—but have no risk factors or symptoms of illness—and are coerced into taking drugs (such as AZT) that can cause premature birth, birth defects, cancer, and death. These women are accused of potentially risking the lives of their children when they question taking these drugs, and yet they are, in fact, actually risking the lives of their children when they do take them. One of the things that most concerned me in this article was the high rate of complications among babies whose mothers take AZT. In one study, for example, the rate of birth defects was 13 percent, nearly six times the normal rate. Another study was halted because of the high rate of premature births. If this weren't bad enough, pregnancy is one of the conditions listed by the manufacturer of the HIV test that can result in a false positive for the virus.
One of our readers whose life was dramatically affected by HIV is Kathleen Tyson, whose story appears in our May/June 1999 issue. In September 1998, Kathleen's midwife called to ask her to come in to talk about her prenatal tests. She and her husband were worried as they drove to the midwife's office, but they never expected it to be the HIV test. Kathleen had tested positive. As a vegetarian who danced, practiced yoga, and ran 10 to 16 miles a week, Kathleen felt she was in the best shape of her life. She was in a long-term monogamous relationship and had no risk factors for AIDS. Still she wanted to do the right thing, so she began taking AZT. Six weeks into the regimen, however, she stopped because she felt sick every time she took the drug and was worried about its effect on her baby. She planned to birth at home and to breastfeed, but two weeks before her baby's due date, she had an emergency cesarean because of a prolapsed cord. After she awoke from the anesthesia, she nursed her son Felix. But before the day was out she was ordered by her pediatrician to stop breastfeeding and served a summons to appear in court two days later. There she was court-ordered to cease breastfeeding her newborn baby and to give him AZT every six hours around the clock for six weeks.
The bitter irony of Kathleen's experience is that the WHO recommendation regarding HIV and breastfeeding changed again because research since 1999 has shown that exclusive breastfeeding is actually a protection against HIV. The choices facing mothers who question mandatory medication for HIV are not unlike those faced by parents who choose to give birth at home in a country where 99 percent of births take place in the hospital, or parents who decide not to circumcise their son, even though the majority of their peers are doing so. These choices are not unlike those made by parents who wonder if they can delay childhood vaccines, select some but not all of them, or forego them altogether.
These parents exercise their freedom of conscience—a right supported by US courts for more than 100 years. Freedom of conscience is protected under the doctrine of informed consent, which specifically protects the right to decline. For informed consent to be valid, a decision must not be coerced.
Parents' freedom of conscience has been demonized of late. A new book, Autism's False Prophets: Bad Science, Risky Medicine, and the Search for a Cure by Paul A. Offit, MD (Columbia University Press, 2008), patronizes suffering parents of autistic children and dismisses them as part of a hysterical conspiracy of alarmists. The tragic death of John Travolta and Kelly Preston's son was cruelly sensationalized by suggestions that perhaps the Scientologist couple hadn't done enough to care for their son, who, in fact, had 24/7 supervision. On October 28, 2008, in its fifth episode of the season, the television show Law & Order: Special Victims Unit vilified Christine Maggiore, one of the mothers featured in our September 1998 article, in which a daughter and mother both die of AIDS.
On January 8, 2009, the television show Private Practice aired an episode about a child who brings measles into a medical clinic and the widespread panic that ensues. Parents who don't vaccinate are called child abusers and portrayed as pariahs. Measles is depicted as a life-threatening disease instead of the mild illness that my friends and I all had as children. In the Private Practice episode, the child dies from measles, an occurrence that is so rare that, based on the current incidence levels (42 in 2007), a death from measles would happen once every 119 years. Even if the incidence of measles were to quadruple, we would not see a death for 30 years. The current death rate from measles is 1 in 5,000, yet it is portrayed in the show as though it happens frequently.
In this episode, a doctor forcibly vaccinates the sick child's brother for measles as his mother stands by protesting helplessly. While the actors who play the doctors in the show are all ridiculously good-looking and remarkably fit, the non-vaccinators appear dowdy and dangerous. One wears no makeup, is slightly overweight, and occasionally hysterical. The other is a sometimes drug addict who forgets to vaccinate.
The incidence of measles cases has risen dramatically from 2007 to 2008 and is at its highest level in more than a decade. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 63 of the 131 new cases of measles from January to July 2008 were among those unvaccinated. The majority of the cases (68), however, were among those vaccinated. Interestingly, according to the CDC, 89 percent of the 131 new measles cases were "imported from or associated with importations from other countries, particularly countries in Europe, where several outbreaks are ongoing."1 In the face of this evidence, why is it the conscientious objectors who are scapegoated? The growing propaganda that unvaccinated kids put vaccinated kids at risk is not supported by the evidence and just doesn't make sense as long as the vaccines themselves are effective.
Now even parents who sleep with their babies are being portrayed as dangerous kooks. On January 25, 2009, our local paper, the Santa Fe New Mexican, reprinted on the front page an article from the Washington Post titled, "Infant Deaths Rekindle Bed-share Debate." The article reports on a study to be published in the February 2009 issue of the journal Pediatrics, showing an increase in deaths attributed to accidental suffocation and strangulation in bed (ASSB) from 2.8 to 12.5 per 100,000 between 1984 and 2004.2
While the Washington Post article suggests that this increase is due to more parents sleeping with their children in order to facilitate breasteeding, the research suggests otherwise. In the first place, black male infants in the study were disproportionately affected by accidental suffocation—and yet breastfeeding rates among African-American women are significantly lower than rates among other women. Secondly, the researchers themselves attribute the rise to several possible causes, one being the shift in classifying deaths that previously would have been attributed to Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS).
In 1996, the CDC began to classify SIDS deaths under the larger category Sudden Unexplained Infant Deaths (SUID), and added ASSB for the first time under this new category. According to the CDC, "?CDC research has found that the decline in SIDS since 1999 can be explained by increasing SUID rates (e.g., deaths attributed to overlaying, suffocation, and wedging). This change in reporting or classification of SUID can be explained by changes in how investigations are conducted and how diagnoses of SUID are made. For example, more deaths may be attributed to accidental suffocation than to SIDS."3
The Pediatrics research was based on epidemiological analysis of infant mortality data. Without a detailed death-scene investigation, an autopsy, and a review of the medical records, it is doubtful that infant deaths are correctly classified on death certificates. Even when there is an autopsy, it is impossible to tell the difference between a death from strangulation and a death from a physiological cause, such as a heart defect.
A dangerously vicious intolerance for parents' freedom of conscience is growing and is breeding an atmosphere of distrust among families. It's especially important now for parents to clearly differentiate between the personal and the political. If you exercise your freedom of conscience and make a decision that is held by only a small minority, be reassured by the knowledge that the Constitution of the United States was written specifically to protect minority opinions. If you have made a responsible and well-informed decision, you can dismiss the propaganda when an issue is demonized in the press, because its coverage may be influenced by political, that is, financial, motives. Parents are the only ones who will live with the consequences of their actions, so they must be the ones who make the final decisions. Anything else is tyranny.
Notes1. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "Update: Measles—United States, January-July 2008," MMWR Weekly 57, no. 33 (22 August 2008): 893?896; www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5733a1.htm. 2. Carrie K. Shapiro-Mendoza et al., "'US Infant Mortality Trends Attributable to Accidental Suffocation and Strangulation in Bed from 1984 through 2004: Are Rates Increasing?," Pediatrics 123, no. 2 (February 2009): 533?539; http://http//pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/123/2/533?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=shapiro+mendoza&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&volume=123&issue=2&resourcetype=HWCIT 3. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) and Sudden Unexpected Infant Death (SUID): Sudden, Unexpected Infant Death (SUID) Initiative," (24 October 2008): www.cdc.gov/sids/suid.htm. Go to http://www.mothering.com/guest_editors/quiet_place/www.mothering.com/links for websites that have additional information on informed consent.
Tuesday, March 17, 2009
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Thanks for this article! I don't know how many people have told me they do not consider home birth because they are under the impression that it's illegal. One woman said in her birth story that she was forced out of the tub during her labor in the hospital because she was told it was illegal to deliver in the water. And countless women vaccinate their children because they believe it is legally required to have vaccinations to enter school.
Of course, none of these things are true. But that doesn't stop society from perpetuation the myths.
This was my first issue of my first subscription of Mothering, and I loved this article. What a way to kick off my subscription, eh?
I'm all in favour of people having freedom of choice, up to a point. But the point in question is the point at which their freedom of choice impacts significantly upon the lives of others. And, despite Peggy O'Mara's ridiculous claim in her penultimate sentence, parents are *not* the only ones who have to live with the consequences of these particular choices. Their children also have to live – or die – with them.
In the case of choices about vaccines, other people are also affected. No, Peggy O'Mara, no-one is trying to claim that the vaccines are 100% effective – just that they greatly reduce a child's risk of catching a disease, if they come into contact with it. As, indeed, your own figures show. (The vast majority of children are vaccinated, so, if the total number of measles cases is split around evenly between the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups, the rate of measles must be *much* lower in the vaccinated group.) But they don't provide 100% protection (as, again, your own figures show), and some children will be unable to have them for health reasons anyway. So, if you allow measles to start circulating again by providing a pool of unvaccinated children who can pass it around, then some other children *will* be affected.
I don't know an awful lot about the US Constitution, so please stop me if I'm wrong – but I suspect that, while protecting your right to hold and to voice a minority opinion, it does not protect your right to act on that opinion willy-nilly if doing so is going to be harmful to others. If, say, your minority opinion happens to be that small children are perfectly safe being held on an adult's lap in a moving care instead of being restrained in a car seat, you can hold that belief all you like but you'll find that acting on it will bring you both public censure and legal sanction. Not because the big bad government are meanies trying to interfere with your freedom of choice, but because, as the old saying has it, your freedom to choose where to swing your arm ends where someone else's nose begins.
Of course, it's necessary to draw a balance between parents' rights to make their own choices and their children's rights to be free from harm, and I certainly wouldn't want to see a world in which it was acceptable to force all parents to bring their children up exactly in line with State diktat. But freedom of choice does not exist in a vacuum - some choices *are* potentially harmful to other people, and that's not an issue we can simply sweep under the carpet. Choices carry responsibilities. Choices carry consequences for people apart from yourself. Peggy O'Mara is trying to present this issue as though the choices she discusses were purely individual ones that don't affect anyone beyond the person making them, which is manifestly untrue. I find her attitude on this as abhorrent as her twisting and skewing of the figures in the name of 'fully informing' parents.
I am going to assume that you have not read a vaccine package insert, Sarah.
Every single one of them lists ingredients and says to avoid taking the vaccine if you are allergic to one of those ingreidents, even though teh CDC says allergies are not reason enough to skip them.
Every single one of them says the vaccine has not been tested for the ability to cause cancer or impair fertility, and vaccine companies are exempt from having to make those studies and immune from prosecution if it turns out they do cause cancer or infertility.
Childhood cancer is has been going up over the last 20 years. Is there a connection? Studies done outside the US say yes, studies inside the US say no.
Recently the Supreme Court decided there was not enough evidence to blame one child's Autism on vaccinations, and their exact findings were that there weren't enough studies to decide one way or the other. The CDC argued last year that studying vaccines and a connection to Autism is a waste of time. They simply refuse to do the studies in the first place, even though over 100 such studies exist outside the US.
"Freedom of Conscience" refers to us parents looking at the evidence and deciding we would rather our child have measles than Autism or cancer.
Other potential side effects listed on the package insert for the MMR vaccine, by the manufacturers themselves, include diabetes, pancreatitis, arthritis (Mommy Bee herself got arthrtitis immediately after receiving the Rubella vaccine), deafness, nerve damage, and death.
Every state allows medical exemptions to vaccines, and many states like mine even allow philosophical exemptions. That's because the treatment can be as damaging as the disease, and I believe the risks are too great. As for the law, right now my right to act on that belief is protected.
From my own recent post on the issue:
"The news has been reporting that there are 131 reported cases of measles so far this year, three times as many as last year, and they place the blame squarely on us non-vaccinating parents. My own newspaper reported that the majority of those reporting measles were in fact unvaccinated. They did say that no one has been hospitalized for it yet. Gee, thanks.
In reality, less than half are unvaccinated - 63 of the cases. Also, they fail to mention how many of those cases were babies, since babies can't even get the vaccine until they are one year old. So "unvaccinated" is a loaded term.
As I mentioned in my previous post on Chicken Pox, even if there are 200 reported cases of measles this year - that's 1 in about 18,500 if we use the number of 3.7 million children I used in my previous example - your child has a greater lifetime chance of dying by intentional self harm - 1 in 116, actually - than actually catching, letting alone experiencing any complications from, measles. In fact your child even has a greater chance of dying in a shoot out with the law - a 1 in 12,121 chance of dying by "Legal intervention involving firearm discharge."
And if you look back at the days prior to measles vaccination, almost 100% of the population would end up catching measles some day. The reason rates are currently so low even among unvaccinated children are because so many children are vaccinated, and that helps to protect the unvaccinated child as well. It's a phenomenon known as herd immunity - vaccination works primarily by protecting the individual, but also partly due to the fact that if far fewer people are catching the disease, then far fewer people are passing it on, and thus you get knock-on benefits even for the unvaccinated. Conversely, the more unvaccinated people around, the more chance of the diseases starting to circulate again. Those low rates you quote are thanks to those of us who vaccinate. Personally, part of the reason I chose to vaccinate was because I had an ethical problem with the idea of taking advantage of the low rates of diseases caused by the vaccines while simultaneously refusing to do my part in helping to maintain those benefits for others.
By not vaccinating, you are increasing the risk of diseases starting to circulate in the community. You are thus fractionally contributing to the risk of *everyone* getting those diseases. Which, whether you like it or not, have been shown to carry much higher risks of the complications you list than the vaccines do. And if you want to claim that the vaccines *might* cause autism even in the face of all the studies that show that they don't, can you show me where the studies are that prove that there's no risk of becoming autistic as a result of *catching* the diseases the vaccines protect against? (BTW, if over a hundred studies have been done in that area already, surely that's an excellent reason for the CDC deciding that the subject has already been adequately looked into and that their finite resources are much better spent on lesser known topics?)
By not vaccinating your children, you are increasing the risk that both they and other people will catch some rather nasty diseases with a lot of potential complications. If that's the price you're prepared to pay, so be it - I can't force you to share my views on what's involved in having a social conscience. I'd just appreciate it if both you and Peggy O'Mara would stop claiming that your actions have no consequences to other people, when it's quite clear that they do.
Prove it.
You're spouting a lot of stuff without links or references.
One rule about my blog is, put up or shut up.
If you look up my tag for vaccines, you will see I've already posted articles and research and testimonies and references. So, where's yours?
PS
http://alisaterry.blogspot.com/2009/03/vaccines-dont-just-take-my-word-for-it.html
http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs.php?id=14&event=graphs_print_list_item
Sure.
http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publichealth/Healthprotection/Immunisation/Greenbook/DH_4097254
gives information about disease rates pre-vaccine and about the frequencies of various complications of both diseases and vaccines.
http://mainstreamparenting.wordpress.com/2008/01/13/the-mmr-vaccine-and-autism-whats-all-that-about-part-ii/
and
http://mainstreamparenting.wordpress.com/2008/05/14/thimerosal-and-vaccines-an-overview-part-i/
are pretty good summaries of research showing that there's no link between vaccines and autism.
http://mainstreamparenting.wordpress.com/2008/05/24/thimerosal-and-autism-an-overview-part-ii/
and
http://mainstreamparenting.wordpress.com/2008/06/07/thimerosal-and-autism-an-overview-part-iii/
analyse some of the research purporting to show a link between thimerosal and autism and explain the many flaws in it.
I'll check out your links when I get a chance.
Those address vaccines and Autism.
What about vaccine side effects, like deafness, Guillain-Barre syndrome, diabetes, and other fun diseases listed on the package inserts?
What bothers me is not the back and forth arguing over the pros and cons of vaccines. The part that bothers me is your insistence that the risks and cons aren't enough for me to have a right to turn down a vaccine.
I want your proof that vaccines do no harm, and therefore my decision to not vaccinate has no merit. I want your proof that when a measles outbreak occurs, it's the fault of the unvaccinated population. I want your proof that vaccines don't cause cancer and have no relation to the increasing incidences childhood asthma and diabetes even though those side effects are often listed on package inserts.
It will take me some time to go through all the links in your first link.
About the second one - summaries don't help me. I prefer actual studies. So, I looked at some of the studies addressed in the summary.
the Danish study is very compelling, except that it addresses only one vaccine. It does not compare vaccinated and unvaccinated, it compares children vaccinated with the MMR and children who may or may not be vaccinated with other vaccines, but not the MMR.
The cited Japanese study has the same problem. the MMR was broken down and given separately and there was no reduction in Autism rates. There was also no change in the vaccine schedule or reduction in vaccines given - single shots replaced one combined vaccine.
The cochrane review is a study about studies, not a study of actual evidence. And again, it addresses the MMR by itself, not taking into account contributing factors, such as any previous exposure to vaccines and their fun chemical components, like aluminum and ethanol and formaldehyde.
The review did have this to say that I found compelling:
"MMR was associated with a lower incidence of upper respiratory tract infections, a higher incidence of irritability, and similar incidence of other adverse effects compared to placebo. The vaccine was likely to be associated with benign thrombocytopenic purpura, parotitis, joint and limb complaints, febrile convulsions within two weeks of vaccination and aseptic meningitis (mumps) (Urabe strain-containing MMR). Exposure to MMR was unlikely to be associated with Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, autism or aseptic meningitis (mumps) (Jeryl-Lynn strain-containing MMR). We could not identify studies assessing the effectiveness of MMR that fulfilled our inclusion criteria even though the impact of mass immunisation on the elimination of the diseases has been largely demonstrated."
So, you won't get autism with this vaccine alone, but your mumps vaccine may give you mumps or an inflammation usually caused by mumps.
The rest of your links appear to be more of the same. Do you have any studies comparing children who are vaccinated on schedule and children who are not vaccinated at all?
PS thimerosol and the MMR are two different issues, anyway, because as a live virus vaccine, the MMR doesn't have mercury.
I have not claimed at *any* point that you do not have the right to refuse a vaccine. In fact, I've specifically stated that I can't force you to share my views. Please do not attribute statements to me that I did not make.
The claim is not that vaccines have *no* risk, but that they carry far less risk than the diseases. With regard to all the side-effects/risks of vaccines that you've listed above, how do the chances of getting each of those from a vaccine compare to the chance of getting that same effect through catching one of those diseases if nobody vaccinated? Similarly, if you want proof that vaccines carry no risk of cancer, can you offer that same proof that the diseases the vaccines protect against carry no such risk?
With regard to the claim that unvaccinated children put others at risk, what sort of proof were you looking for? We know that these diseases are infectious – in other words, if you catch it, you can pass it on to others. We know (from, among other figures, the ones you cited above) that rates are far higher among unvaccinated children than among vaccinated children – in other words, you're at more risk of catching a disease if you're not vaccinated against it. Which puts you at more risk of passing it on. I'm not sure which part of that you're disagreeing with. Or are you just claiming that because the risk is (currently) so low it doesn't matter?
Of course the MMR and thiomersal are two different issues. The fact that they've nevertheless both been claimed by anti-vaccinationists to be causes of autism – and that, when evidence is presented that it's not either of those two, the argument then seems to be shifted to “But maybe it's some *combination* of vaccines!” - is one of the things that rings major alarm bells with me about the plausibility of the whole claim.
Your first statement here:
"I'm all in favour of people having freedom of choice, up to a point. But the point in question is the point at which their freedom of choice impacts significantly upon the lives of others."
Is a direct implication that you do not think partents should have a right to not vaccinate. Your disagreement with Peggy O'Mara is precisely that her attitude disregards the consequences of our choices on others.
Since the last several measles break-outs here have happened more among vaccinated children than unvaccinated ones, and you have no evidence that it was an unvaccinated child instead of a vaccinated one that introduced that round of measles to the population in any given example, then you have no real logical reason to assume that it is the unvaccinated children who are the problem.
As for the changing story of people who believe there is a connection between vaccines and Autism, you can hardly blame them. They know SOMETHING happened immediately after their child received a certain vaccine, usually the MMR. If it isn't the MMR, great, that narrows it down. Let's look at the other possibilities, because that doesn't vindicate all vaccines or the combination.
Surely you've heard about Hewitson's recent study with her macaques. It's not a perfect study, but her conclusions were that they merit looking into - why did the unvaccinated monkeys turn out fine while the ones put on the US CDC's vaccine schdule show Autism-like symptoms? Finally someone looked at completely unvaccinated subjects compared to heavily vaccinated ones. That's the kind of study that needs to be repeated in order to finally answer the question.
But yes, coming back to the main problem here.
You said this:
"I don't know an awful lot about the US Constitution, so please stop me if I'm wrong – but I suspect that, while protecting your right to hold and to voice a minority opinion, it does not protect your right to act on that opinion willy-nilly if doing so is going to be harmful to others."
I don't know how I can put that into a context that makes it sound any less like you don't believe I have a right to forgo vaccinations. Sugar coat it however you want, but you believe that peggy O'Mara and I are spreading a dangerous and irresponsible message, and I feel the exact same way about your message.
Looking back at my initial comment, I can see why it looks as though I was focusing exclusively on the vaccine issue. For that misunderstanding, I apologise. I do indeed believe there are times when it's appropriate to step in to prevent a parent from doing something harmful to a child, regardless of whether the parent believes it's OK. I do believe, as I said, that it's appropriate to draw a balance between the parent's right to freedom of choice and the child's right to freedom of harm, and I do find it extremely objectionable that Peggy O'Mara seems to be blithely ignoring the latter in favour of the former. But I don't believe in denying parents their right to choose whether or not to vaccinate, because that would be going too far towards denying the parents' rights for my liking. I did not mean it to sound otherwise, and am sorry that that was the case.
I mentioned vaccines specifically in my comment partly because the potential harms caused by those decisions do affect more than just the individual child (the one affected by the other decisions Peggy O'Mara gave as examples) and I thought that merited an aside, and partly because I didn't like the way she was twisting her figures and wanted to comment on that. All of that was only meant to be a quick aside, and the rest of my comment was aimed at her attitude generally. I didn't realise until I read the comment over after the things you said that this would make it look as though I was aiming my entire comment at vaccine choices. I wasn't. Again, I apologise for my poor phrasing and making it sound that way. I disagree strongly with your vaccine choices, as you know; but I do believe and have always believed in your right to make them.
I appreciate your clarification of your comments.
Am I correct to assume then that you believe that bwhen a parent goes against medical advice it is the parent who is wrong and not the doctor? Or if a parent's choice is between her child's welfare and someone else's child she should be more concerned about the other person's child?
Can I assume that, as a doctor, you are also against homebirth and for vaccinations?
I object to your assertion that Peggy, as well as myself, is promoting ideas that are harmful to children. Aside from vaccinations, what else is there? Skipping the Vit K shot at birth? Homeschooling? Using herbal remedies when a child has the flu?
That last one is my favorite, since all this time we've been saying that children's cold and flu medicines don't work and can cause harm, and finally the FDA advised that young children should never take them.
Peggy is promoting a parent's right to weigh all the facts and make conscious, intelligent decisions about their children, usually because we believe that the conventional choice will do more damage, such as with my son and his dairy allergy.
In fact, the CDC did a study of families not complying with the vaccine schedule with the assumption that they would find higher noncompliance rates among the poor, and that they would be able to use that to promote programs aimed at helping poor families get to vaccine clinics.
Instead they discovered the average unvaccinated or less vaccinated child comes from a middle class family where the mother is caucasian and has a college degree. They have changed their approach accordingly - how do we convince these educated mothers? Of course, it hasn't worked.
Sorry, excuse the rush job on this comment.
With regard to the situations you asked me about:
Parent going against medical advice - not necessarily, depends on the situation.
Choice between child’s welfare and someone else’s child - no, no need to be more concerned about someone else’s child, just take their welfare into account as well when making the decision.
Homebirth - no, I’m OK with it in low-risk situations.
Vaccinations - yes, you already know I’m for them.
Skipping the Vit K shot - don’t know enough about that.
Homeschooling - fine with that.
Herbal remedies (for anything) – depends entirely on the remedy in question and what evidence is available for/against it.
With regards to Peggy O'Mara, one of the things she's promoting is breastfeeding for HIV-positive women. She's claiming that exclusive breastfeeding helps prevent HIV transmission and that the WHO now advise HIV-positive mothers to breastfeed. That is one holy hell of a job of selective quoting. Exclusive breastfeeding, if you're HIV-positive, helps prevent mother-to-baby HIV transmission compared to *mixed* feeding, but it still puts babies at higher risk of HIV infection than exclusive formula-feeding (http://www.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab006734.html). The WHO advise exclusive breastfeeding for HIV-positive mothers who live in countries where safe water supplies and decent-quality formula aren't available, because, although it does put babies at noticeably higher risk of HIV infection than exclusive formula-feeding, the risks of formula-feeding in those areas are high enough to cancel out the reduced risk of HIV transmission – exclusive formula-feeding in those areas just meant the babies died of cholera or starvation or whatever instead of HIV. But that isn't the case with formula-feeding in the USA and other first world countries. The WHO recommends that women in those countries do *not* breastfeed, because the risk to the baby outweighs any benefits (http://www.who.int/reproductive-health/publications/new_data_prevention_mtct_hiv/infant_feeding.en.html).
So, Peggy O'Mara is promoting something that's been shown to increase the risk of giving babies HIV. Yes, I'd call that harmful to children. And, given her highly misleading selective quoting there, excuse me if I'm not too impressed with her lip service to the idea of parents getting to weigh all the facts.
"You have no real logical reason to assume that it is the unvaccinated children who are the problem."
Let's just clarify something here. Children who are not vaccinated are much more likely to get a disease and pass it to others. If this had not been proven, no one would use vaccines because they would be totally ineffective. Vaccinated people are protected from infection unless their immunity wanes (which can happen, but revaccination takes care of that).
By not vaccinating your child, you help create a pool of susceptible children in the community who can harbor a disease that infects other people. Whether or not your particular child ever does this is not the point. You may choose not to vaccinate but understand that you are contributing to a problem that could hurt other kids. Perhaps you think the tiny chance of complications to your child justifies this. I'm not sure it does.
Another thing to think about, in the 90's there was a surge in cases of measles transmitted in the dorms - your kids are much more likely to get sick in that kind of situation. They are more likely to get sick if they travel anywhere outside the US. So if you are willing to live with that, fine - just understand that your kid will have to be protected - from dorms, international travel and people who are recent immigrants. In my county, I wouldn't even take the kid to the grocery store because we have such a high background rate of measles in our immigrant families and their visiting relatives. Your child may not thank you later on if they become ill and know that you could have prevented the illness with a simple vaccine.
Anonymous ... FUCK OFF! If you're going to post inflammatory comments about MY CHILD on my wife's blog, at least be man (or woman) enough to own up to it and post your name.
It's chickenshits like you that make me sick in this war of words.
Have a problem with what I said ... find me at my blog: http://theviewfromutah.blogspot.com/
Bring it!
They can vax my child over my cold, dead body.
Anonymous -
"Perhaps you think the tiny chance of complications to your child justifies this. I'm not sure it does."
If my son even touches milk or cream, he gets a rash and develops breathing problems. So, Fuck Off. It will be a cold day in hell before I put my son in the hospital so someone else's child doesn't have to.
I actually don't think vaccines are that effective and don't think they prevent diseases, except the HiB vaccine, but that's a whole other article.
So unless you can show some non-CDC sponsored evidence that vaccines really do work like magic, then you have no business commenting on my blog, and certainly not after assuming you know what kind of risk my child would be taking if he had casein injected directly into his body.
My nephew did get his vaccines and his face and throat puffed up and he almost died before they reached the hospital. It turns out he's allergic to both milk and eggs. I'm sure his mom would also tell you where to go if you said something equally ignorant to her.
Oh, that's so romantic, my husband and I both swore at you at the same time without knowing what the other was posting about!
That's just funny.
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